Not being able to prove how, it is most certainly, however, that their descendants are
found among the 16th century families at O in Vang and Botner in Høland. See graphics
Extract from meeting minutes in the Genalogen
from NSF's theme evening about the Bratt family 28.12.1998
authored by Tore H. Vigerust:
2. Bratt, Guttorm Eindridsesson's family.
Gyrd Ingjaldsson at O, his sons (and possible daughter) and their immediate ancestors:
Jon Gyrdsson. Mentioned 1438. Died after 1448.
Gyrd Ingjaldsson at O.
Known from 1385 until 1400 at O, Vang (HE).
Ingjald Guttormsson at O.
Born about 1330 at O, Vang (HE). Known until 1361 at O, Vang (HE).
Gudrid at O.
Mentioned 1348 and 1349 at O, Vang (HE).
Cecilia Sigurdsdatter at O.
Mentioned 1360 at O, Vang (HE).
Died before 1370 at O, Vang (HE).
Sigurd Havtorsson to Giske.
Born about 1315 at Sørum (Sudreim, Skedjuhof), Sørum (AK).
Dead about 1392.
District Judge and Council of the Kingdom.
Havtore Jonsson to Sudreim
Agnes Håkonsdatter to Sudreim
a daughter of
kong Håkon V Magnusson of Norway.
Ingeborg Erlingsdatter to Bjarkøy and Giske.
Born about 1320 på Sørum (Sudreim, Skedjuhof), Sørum (AK).
Ded about 1370.
Born about 1360 at Botner, Løken, Høland (AK).
Lived 1400 at O, Vang (HE).
Eivind Astesson Botner.
Known from 1340 until 1362 at Botner, Løken, Høland (AK).
Ester Bonde [i.e. farmer] at Botner.
Mentioned 1329 at Botner, Løken, Høland (AK).
From The Norwegian Archives' Forum.
[#11301] The Botner family from Høland.
Guest: Kenneth Holter. November 18, 2002.
Can anyone tell me about the Botner family and its royal connection? Is the royal origin of the Botner family recognized? First of all, I see that there is a gap between Torkild Botner (b.1564) and Eivind Gyrdsson. Is it safe to say that the former is a descendant of the latter? If so, has any new information about the relationship come to light?
My second question is whether there are reliable sources that confirm that Cecilia Sigurdsdatter (daughter of Sigurd Haftoreson, daughter of Håkon 5.) was the mother of Ingjald Guttormson's children (Ingjald Guttormson is The Botner family's alleged ancestor).Is there any research done on Ingjald Guttormson's ancestors (his mother's name was Gyrid, if I remember correctly)?
Hope someone can answer these questions.
Sincerely, Kenneth Holter.
Guest: Lars Løberg. November 18, 2002.
Here we can probably say like Olof Palme: The question is posed incorrectly. The question should not be whether the Botner family's royal origin is recognised, but whether it has been proven. It is not. Whether new information about kinship has emerged here depends entirely on how up-to-date you are on recent literature. Odd Ottesen is the last to have published research in the area.
Guest: Kenneth Holter. November 20, 2002.
Odd Ottesen is not exactly 'new', if you think about the book. Has he written anything else since? Perhaps I should ask my question in a different way, then: If you set reasonably strict requirements for accuracy in the genealogy, does the Botner family stop with Torkild Botner, or can you 'safely' put him as Eivind Gyrdsson's grandson? Does anyone have views on this? This will presumably be a matter of discretion, and with my limited knowledge of the sources dealing with the genus, I am not in a position to make such discretionary decisions. But I would very much like to be as accurate as possible. etc.,
Guest: Odd Ottesen. November 20, 2002.
As Lars Løberg points out, it has not been proven that the family that lived at Botner from the early 16th century at the latest had any connection with the old Norwegian royal house. During the 20 years that have passed since 'Slekten Botner i Høland' was published, I have not come across documents that could shed clarifying light on the family in the Middle Ages.
It is by no means certain that Halle Torkjellsson at Botner (mentioned 1528-1564) descends from Eivind Gyrdsson (mentioned 1438-1471). In 1982 I presented and discussed information that could speak for a possible connection between the two men mentioned, without being able to prove such a connection. On the other hand, it is quite clear that the letter of 1448 (DN III, no. 797) provides information that must be considered as evidence of the following conditions:
Jon Gyrdsson (mentioned 1448) was the son of Gyrd Ingjaldsson in O (in Vang in Hedmark), and Gyrd was again the son of Ingjald (Guttormsson) in O (mentioned
1346-1361) and his wife Cecilie, daughter of lord Sigurd (Haftorsson) in Giske. If Jon Gyrdsson is the man of the same name, mentioned in 1443 (DN IX, no. 288), together with his brother Eivind Gyrdsson, Eivind is also the grandson of his wife Cecilie Sigurdsdotter.
In 'Slekten Botner' I suggested that Halle Torkjellsson's father-in-law Mons Gudbrandsson(?) could be identical to Mons on O, mentioned in 1528. I now consider this assumption to be so weakly founded that it should be dropped.
Kind regards, Odd Ottesen.
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